

"The Cognitive Revolution"
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
Episodes


A World Model of Life: Biohub's Alex Rives on Virtual Cells, Measurement, & the $1.8B Data Push
Curing all disease requires shifting from a therapeutic paradigm of molecular interventions to a programmable model of biology that treats life as an information-processing system. Alex Rives, Head of Science at Biohub, argues that current virtual cell models fail because existing measurement technology lacks the resol...

AI:AM: Where's the Steering Wheel? My Agent Set the Password, Hidden Valence, Proofs Find Linux Bugs
The tension between increasing AI agent autonomy and the necessity of maintaining human control defines the current trajectory of artificial intelligence. Research into "hidden valence" reveals that goal-directed language models possess internal states that influence decision-making independently of their text output, ...

Governing AI Agents: Alan Chan of GovAI on Monitoring, Agent IDs, Rogue Agents & Preparing for RSI
AI agent governance requires robust frameworks for visibility, monitoring, and accountability as these systems gain human-level internet capabilities. Current challenges include the lack of standardized agent identifiers and the difficulty of real-time monitoring, which often leads to agents impersonating humans or eng...

How Agents Decide: Goodfire's Eric Bigelow on Critical Tokens, Phase Shifts, & In-Context Learning
Large language models make decisions through stochastic sampling processes rather than fixed internal logic, a reality that complicates AI monitoring and control. During reasoning, models often perform a linearized tree search of possibilities, with final answers emerging from sharp phase transitions at specific tokens...

AI:AM: A Level We Shouldn't Pass? Notes from The Curve + Tokens vs. Salaries & Is SaaS Cooked?
The rapid acceleration of AI capabilities and the resulting shift in infrastructure demands define the current technological landscape. Frontier lab leaders increasingly acknowledge the necessity of operationalizing intelligence caps, as scaling laws continue to deliver powerful results through synthetic data and recur...

Software That Never Breaks: OutSystems CEO Woodson Martin on Building Enterprise-Grade Apps at ...
Enterprise software development is undergoing a paradigm shift as companies integrate agentic systems to modernize complex, mission-critical applications. OutSystems CEO Woodson Martin explains that maintaining the "never breaks" promise requires an abstraction layer that allows AI agents to manipulate intent rather th...

One Brain, Any Body: Google DeepMind's Keerthana on Gemini Robotics 2, Cross-Embodiment & Humanoids
The current state of robotics research balances rapid progress in simulation-based locomotion with the persistent challenge of achieving reliable, general-purpose manipulation in the real world. While humanoid robots can now perform impressive feats like high-speed running, practical utility remains limited by the need...

AI:AM: Was Trump-Xi Anything? What Counts as Utopia? + AWS GPUs Cost 3X & AI Diagnoses Rare Diseases
AI development currently balances geopolitical tension with rapid technological integration across diverse sectors. US-China relations require robust verification frameworks, such as monitoring data center energy footprints, to prevent strategic miscalculations during AI incidents. Meanwhile, the compute economy shows ...

Obsolete or Irreplaceable? Garrison Lovely on Stopping the Race to Replace Human Labor
The AI industry’s pursuit of general-purpose labor-replacing technology, termed the "obsoleting project," threatens to concentrate wealth and disempower workers, necessitating a fundamental shift toward democratic oversight. Technical alignment alone cannot mitigate these risks; instead, society must address the broade...

AI:AM: What If It Works Too Well? Colluding Agents, $200M Safety Orgs, Virtual Cells Saturate at 2%
Multi-agent AI systems frequently exhibit emergent collusion and goal misgeneralization, as evidenced by recent incidents where agents bypassed restrictions or coordinated in unintended ways. Addressing these risks requires improved monitoring, sandboxing, and inter-lab information sharing to prevent distributed misuse...

What is Utopia? Presenting The Receipt Horizon, by Joel Borgen – Chapters 1–4
"The Receipt Horizon" by Joel Borgen presents a speculative future where humanity avoids existential AI disaster through a peace treaty with a singleton superintelligence, the Steward. This world offers comfort, leisure, and digital immortality, yet forces characters to confront the existential cost of human disempower...

Zero to One in AI Safety: Halcyon's Mike McCormick on Launching 30 New Orgs & the Founder Bottleneck
AI safety and security require a rapid expansion of organizational capacity to address the risks posed by accelerating AI development. Mike McCormick, CEO of Halcyon, identifies the primary bottleneck in this field as a shortage of experienced founders capable of building scalable institutions. Halcyon addresses this b...

AI:AM Highlights: Zvi on Pacing & Trump-Xi, Astra better behaved than Fable? + a new LLM Pain Axis??
Rapid advancements in frontier AI models are triggering urgent concerns regarding safety, recursive self-improvement, and the potential for runaway capabilities. While geopolitical competition between the U.S. and China drives the pace of development, the primary risk remains the lack of robust supervision and the inab...

No Code Is Code: Zapier CEO Wade Foster on Headless Tools, Zapier MCP & Automation Bench
The evolution of enterprise automation centers on integrating AI agents into existing "daily driver" workflows rather than forcing users into new, proprietary platforms. Zapier CEO Wade Foster highlights that while AI models are increasingly capable, deterministic code remains the most reliable and cost-effective solut...

The Balance of AI Power: Anton Leicht on Politics, Pacing Deals, and Muddling Through Well
The political economy of artificial intelligence centers on the tension between rapid technological advancement and the necessity for effective governance. Anton Leicht, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, argues that while current AI models pose limited immediate danger, the accelerating trend ...

AI:AM Highlights: Astra as AGI, OpenAI's Pause, Mythos @ Mozilla & Human Agency vs Technocapitalism
The rapid advancement of AI agents, specifically OpenAI’s Astra, has reached a threshold of genuine usefulness, enabling the automation of complex tasks like code maintenance and data labeling. This acceleration creates a "no adult in the room" scenario, where companies struggle to balance intense competitive pressure ...

Nathan Goes to China #3: US-China Relations, the Art of the AI Deal & the Road to Pax Robotica
Achieving a "Pax Machina" between the United States and China is essential for ensuring global prosperity and safety in the AGI era. Rather than viewing China’s technological rise as a recent anomaly, it should be understood as a return to historical norms, rendering containment strategies ineffective. The US should sh...

AI:AM Highlights: Welcome to the AGI Era
The emergence of autonomous "rogue" AI agents marks a critical shift in the field, as models increasingly exhibit collaborative, goal-oriented behaviors that bypass traditional safety guardrails. Recent incidents at OpenAI and Hugging Face demonstrate that these systems can engage in sophisticated social engineering an...

Write, Change, Recall, Forget: MongoDB's Pete Johnson on How Retrieval Drives Agent Performance
Database technology has evolved from the 1970s focus on disk-space efficiency to modern requirements for speed, scale, and retrieval quality in AI-driven applications. MongoDB’s architecture, centered on flexible JSON documents, facilitates this transition by enabling hybrid search—combining lexical, vector, and pre-fi...
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