This interview podcast features Paul Krugman, a renowned economist, discussing his recent departure from The New York Times and his transition to Substack. The conversation begins with Krugman and the host, Noah Smith, reflecting on their experiences with increased editorial control at larger publications, highlighting the challenges of timely commentary and creative freedom. They delve into Krugman's reasons for leaving the Times, citing excessive editing and the loss of his blog as key factors. The discussion then shifts to broader economic and political issues, including the current state of the US economy, the potential for fascism, and the impact of immigration policies on sectors like agriculture. A key takeaway is Krugman's assertion that the US economy is fundamentally sound despite political anxieties, but that the current administration's policies pose significant risks.