This podcast features an interview discussing the complex geopolitical relationship between the United States and China, focusing on the implications of economic and technological competition. The discussion begins with a broad overview of the historical relationship, then delves into current tensions, particularly concerning AI development and export controls. The interviewee argues that China's actions, such as efforts to control global trade routes and destabilize American society, necessitate a strategy of deterrence rather than appeasement. A key example cited is China's development of its own large language model (LLM), DeepSeek, which is presented as a response to, rather than a cause of, US actions. The discussion concludes by emphasizing the need for a long-term strategy focused on maintaining conventional deterrence and ultimately repairing the relationship.