

TBPN
TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Episodes


Why No One Talks Cournot, Hollywood vs. Seedance 2.0, Micron’s $200B Bet | Jon Caramanica, Haseeb Qureshi, Spenser Skates, Celine Halioua, Ankur Goyal, Reed Duchscher
The podcast explores the economics of AI labs, debating whether the current Cournot equilibrium will last or if a Bertrand competition model will emerge. Discussions cover the balance between training model investments and inference factory margins, with the consensus leaning towards a durable oligopoly among major AI ...

Becoming Unsloppable, Anthropic’s Series G, The Mansion Section | Diet TBPN
The podcast explores the concept of "unsloppable" companies—those with durable moats that can withstand the impact of AI and coding agents. It questions whether traditional software moats, based on lines of code, are still viable in an era of near-zero marginal cost software development. The discussion highlights the i...

Anthropic Hits $380B Valuation, Become Unsloppable, WSJ Mansion Section | Martin Shkreli, Connor Hayes, Alex Bouzari, Brett Adcock
The co-hosted podcast explores the concept of "unsloppable" companies—those with durable moats that can withstand the rise of AI coding agents. They discuss how traditional moats like proprietary technology are no longer sufficient, emphasizing network effects, economies of scale, and brand trust as more resilient defe...

Anthropic’s $380B round, Paramount vs. WB, Higgsfield ragebait drama | Diet TBPN

Something Mini is Coming, Anthropic's $20B Round, Ackman’s Meta Move | Bryan Johnson, Andrew Huberman, Matthew Zeitlin, Joon Sung Park, David Risher, Todd McKinnon, Alexander Ksendzovsky
The co-hosted podcast explores the transformative potential of AI across various sectors, balancing enthusiasm with a realistic assessment of challenges and risks. The hosts analyze Anthropic's substantial funding round and its implications for competition within the AI lab landscape, while also diving into the practic...

AI Isn’t Covid, FBI probes Tai Lopez, Mistral’s $2B Sweden bet | Diet TBPN

Is Something Big Happening?, Tai Lopez Charged in $122M Fraud, U.S. Adds 130K Jobs | Harley Finkelstein, Vlad Tenev, Matt Shumer, Jeff Lawson, Sam Blond, John Ferrara
The podcast explores the impact of AI across various sectors, questioning whether its transformative potential is akin to COVID-19's disruptive force. The hosts debate AI's effect on job markets, the hype surrounding AI-driven tools, and the sustainability of AI-dependent business models. They analyze the potential for...

FULL INTERVIEW: Why I Spent $70M to buy AI.com

Elon’s go-to banker leads SpaceX IPO, SaaSination, Bejing’s robot Boom | Diet TBPN

Elon Musk's Banker, Beijing Pours $26B into Robot Boom, How Apollo Dodged SaaSsassination | Ashlee Vance, Vincenzo Landino, Ethan Thornton, Kris Marszalek, Cristóbal Valenzuela, Brad Svrluga, Dayna Grayson
The podcast explores a range of topics, starting with Michael Grimes' return to Morgan Stanley and its implications for SpaceX's potential IPO, as well as the AI landscape with companies like Cognition and XAI. The hosts discuss Apollo's investment strategy of avoiding software companies due to AI disruption fears, con...

Super Bowl Ad Reactions, ChatGPT launches ads, Jordi vs France | Diet TBPN
The hosts dissect Super Bowl 2024's commercials, focusing on AI's presence and effectiveness. They analyze Anthropic and OpenAI's contrasting approaches: Anthropic's provocative jab at OpenAI versus OpenAI's optimistic, yet vague, message about building. The hosts critique the AI.com ad for lacking polish despite its e...

FULL INTERVIEW: Bill Bishop Thinks China’s Military is Still Deeply Corrupt
The podcast explores the implications of recent PLA purges in China, questioning whether they consolidate power or weaken military capabilities. Bill Bishop suggests the purges aim to remove corruption and promote younger officers. The conversation also covers US-China relations, focusing on Taiwan and potential arms s...

Super Bowl Ad Reactions, New Ferrari Design, Ads Launch in ChatGPT | Jason Fried, Bill Bishop, Jason Kelly, Dan Romero, Boris Sofman, Sara Hooker, Edward Mehr
The hosts review Super Bowl 2024 ads, tech's response, and broader implications for AI. They critique Anthropic and OpenAI's ads for missing the mark with mainstream audiences, while praising RAMP's integrated campaign. The hosts also analyze AI's increasing integration into society, touching on debates over data cente...

The AI chip squeeze, Dirty Soda mania, OCC approves Palmer Luckey’s Erebor | Diet TBPN
The podcast explores the AI industry's bottlenecks, particularly focusing on the debate between semiconductor fabrication capacity and energy production. It highlights the recursive nature of AI models and the potential for energy to become a limiting factor for AI's growth. The conversation covers the massive CapEx in...

Chip Bottleneck vs. Energy Bottleneck, Amazon’s $200B Capex, Big Tech Earnings | Doug O'Laughlin, Max Levchin, TJ Parker, Arsalan Tavakoli
The hosts analyze the evolving landscape of AI, debating its impact on software, data infrastructure, and various industries. They explore whether AI is a bubble, and if it will kill software or simply change its economics. The conversation touches on the increasing capabilities of AI models, like Claude and GPT, and t...

FULL INTERVIEW: Doug O'Laughlin Thinks Microsoft is OUT of the AI Race
The podcast explores the evolving landscape of AI, focusing on the potential "SaaSpocalypse" where AI agents rebuild or replace existing software tools. It highlights the contrasting approaches of OpenAI and Anthropic, with OpenAI targeting Fortune 500 companies and Anthropic focusing on individual Claude Code agents. ...

Anthropic’s Trust Nuke, OpenAI's new releases, Google Claims AI Crown | Diet TBPN
The podcast analyzes Anthropic's Super Bowl ads and their potential impact on the AI landscape, questioning whether the ads are brilliant marketing or deceptive "rage bait." The discussion explores whether the ads will damage consumer trust in LLMs and benefit Anthropic against competitors like OpenAI. The hosts draw p...

Sam Altman on Codex 5.3 Launch, Anthropic's Sholto Douglas, Alphabet Beats Q4 Estimates | Sam Altman, Sholto Douglas, Daniel Barcelo, Mandy Fields, Ivan Burazin, Scott Rogowsky
The hosts analyze the advertising strategies of AI companies, particularly Anthropic's Super Bowl ads, debating whether their approach is "dirty" or simply effective in a competitive market. They explore the potential impact of these ads on consumer trust in LLMs and discuss the broader implications for the AI industry...

FULL INTERVIEW: Sam Altman Responds to Anthropic’s Attack Ads, Live on TBPN
Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, discusses the newly launched 5.3 Codex, highlighting its improved coding capabilities, speed, and user interaction, particularly the ability to provide feedback mid-turn. The conversation explores the concept of managing AI agents, with Altman envisioning a future where users oversee teams of...
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