(0:00) About the Boardroom Governance Summit (Aug 26-27, 2026)

(0:55) Intro

(2:37) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel.

(3:24) Start of interview.

(4:23) Origin story Mayree Clark

(6:08) Origin story Linda Riefler

(8:23) About their Leading-Edge Stewardship framework and personal road-map.

(11:38) Teamwork and Long-Term Value Creation

(16:03) On board diversity and pace of change

(19:02) Boards in distress: Mayree joining Ally Financial in financial crisis (2009)

(21:39) MSCI Culture and CEO Relations

(26:02) Tough calls on CEO transitions (example of CSX CEO transition)

(32:39) Private Equity Board Lessons (flexibility on decision-making and talent pools)

(36:22) Handling under-performing directors

(43:11) German Governance Across Borders (Mayree's experience serving on Deutsche Bank's board)

(48:06) Purpose, Adversity, and Stewardship

(50:42) What are the 1-3 books that have greatly influenced your life:

Mayree: Self Renewal : The Individual and the Innovative Society, by John Gardner (1963)
Linda:
1. A Brief History of Everything, by Ken Wilber (2017)
2. How the Word is Passed, by Clint Smith (2021)
3. The Spark Within, by Michael Neal (coach)

(53:36) Who were their mentors, and what they learned from them.

(56:37) An unusual habit or an absurd thing that they love.

(1:00:16) The living person they most admire.

Mayree Clark is a longtime corporate director, founder and Managing Partner of Eachwin Capital, and former senior executive at Morgan Stanley. She currently serves on the boards of Ally Financial and Deutsche Bank AG.

Linda Riefler is an experienced corporate director and former senior executive at Morgan Stanley. She currently serves on the boards of CSX Corporation, MSCI Inc., and North American Partners in Anesthesia, and is chair of Pencils of Promise.

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Mayree Clark and Linda Riefler: Leading-Edge Stewardship in the Boardroom

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein

Mayree Clark and Linda Riefler: Leading-Edge Stewardship in the Boardroom