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In this Director's Cut episode, we're revisiting one of our more vulnerable conversations with Jane Marie Chen, a Harvard and Stanford graduate and the founder of Embrace, the organization that helped save over one million babies around the world.

Tune in for new thoughts on:

✅ How achievement can become a trauma response

✅ Why children of immigrants feel the pressure to prove themselves

✅ How trauma lives in the body and why healing isn't linear

✅ Why surrender may be the key to sustainable success

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📚Jane’s book recs: The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk and No Bad Parts by Richard Schwartz

Timestamps:

00:49: Introducing Jane Marie

03:45: How to watch the episode

06:22: Why Jane wrote ‘Like a Wave We Break’

09:39: Achievement as a coping mechanism

15:50: How trauma lives in the body

27:29: How to stay open and have boundaries

36:19: How to tune into your body

39:48: Why control is an illusion

50:25: Cherie on slowing down

54:40: How ‘My pain became my purpose’

56:28: Starting your own healing journey

57:15: Closing thoughts

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Why Success Still Feels Empty | Jane Marie Chen, Founder of Embrace

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Why Success Still Feels Empty | Jane Marie Chen, Founder of Embrace