(0:00) Intro

(1:31) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel.

(2:18) Start of interview. *Reference to prior episodes with David (E24 from Nov 2020 and E159 from Dec 2024)

(3:22) 2025 highlights from the American College of Governance Counsel

(4:55) The Rome Conference on AI, Ethics, and the Future of Corporate Governance

(6:52) The Dual-Class Share Debate (reference to his paper Performance Leads Governance)

(12:06) Emerging Governance Structures in AI companies, including Public Benefit Corporations (PBCs) "mission driven"

(23:02) The AI Bubble Debate ("from a technology standpoint, I don't think we're in a bubble. From a valuation standpoint, we may be very well in a bubble.") Reference to my article on AI Washing Goes Criminal.

(27:00) Big Tech vs. Little Tech Dynamics "We're going to have, at some point, a shakeout. It's impossible for all of these companies to be successful."

(29:55) The Shift to Private Markets

(34:15) Delaware's Governance Challenges (*reference to E194 on Silicon Valley 150 Report) "Since TripAdvisor, about 50 companies have left Delaware."

(39:45) AI and Cybersecurity in the Boardroom

(40:42) On Mandatory Arbitration

(42:03) Biggest winner in business in 2025: Tech broadly, Silicon Valley particular.

(43:40) Biggest loser in business in 2025: Delaware

(45:15) Biggest business surprise in 2025

(47:19) Best corporate governance trend from 2025: Renewed and strong focus on ethics.

(50:00) Worst corporate governance trend from 2025: Partisanship

(50:58) What’s the biggest corporate governance trend to watch out for in 2026: the role of politics in the boardroom

(51:35) One piece of advice for directors heading into 2026: the role of AI in the boardroom and in the company

David Berger is a partner at Wilson Sonsini and the President of the American College of Governance Counsel.

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David Berger: Year-End Reflections on Corporate Governance and the Road Ahead

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein

David Berger: Year-End Reflections on Corporate Governance and the Road Ahead