04 Sept 2025
1h 38m

#989 - James Kimmel Jr. - Why Violence & Revenge Fantasies Feel Good

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Modern Wisdom

In this episode of the Modern Wisdom podcast, Chris Williamson interviews James Kimmel Jr., author of "The Science of Revenge," about the evolutionary and neurological roots of revenge, its manifestation in modern society, and strategies for overcoming the desire for retribution. Kimmel shares a personal story of a near-violent encounter stemming from childhood bullying, which led him to study revenge. They discuss the differences between revenge, self-defense, and justice, highlighting how revenge is often a maladaptive response to perceived mistreatment. Kimmel explains how the brain's reward circuitry is activated by revenge fantasies, making it akin to an addiction. He advocates for forgiveness as a powerful tool for healing and offers practical advice, including his Miracle Court app, for managing grievances and breaking the cycle of revenge. The conversation also touches on the cultural aspects of revenge, the legal system's role, and the potential for public health approaches to address violence.

Outlines

Part 1: Origins and Biology of Revenge

Part 2: Justice, Morality, and Forgiveness

Part 3: Revenge in Society and Culture

Part 4: Prevention and Public Health

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