We’re joined by a very special guest, Solana founder Anatoly Yakovenko for a wide-ranging conversation on crypto, tech, and what’s next. He breaks down the “punks, hoodies, suits” cycle, why AI is just a product while crypto is a movement, and how stablecoins are quietly driving global USD adoption. He shares his $1T stablecoin prediction, explains the Solana phone’s goal to challenge app store monopolies, and argues that crypto’s future lies not in mass adoption, but in serving a small group of high-value users.

Chapters:

00:00 Intro & Anatoly’s Backstory

03:20 Crypto’s Evolution: Punks, Hoodies, and Suits

07:00 Bitcoin, Meme Investing, and the Value of Ideas

12:00 Meme Coins: Infrastructure and Insanity

17:45 Why Build a Crypto Phone? Platform Wars Explained

24:00 Talent, Incentives, and the Crypto Dilemma

30:00 Stablecoins, Dollar Hegemony, and Global Finance

39:50 The Punks Are the Bankers Now

41:10 The Internet, Extremes, and the Death of Truth

49:00 Engagement, Incentives, and the Future of Platforms

52:20 Are the Punks Too Rich to Care?

54:30 Wrap-Up: Bold Predictions and Where Crypto Goes Next

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#107 Anatoly Yakovenko: Crypto Isn’t for Everyone (And That’s a Good Thing)

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#107 Anatoly Yakovenko: Crypto Isn’t for Everyone (And That’s a Good Thing)