Andrew Johnston is currently the Head of Sales at Superhuman, where he leads the go-to-market strategy as part of the executive team. Previously, he built the Mid-Market and PLS motion at Scale AI and led the global sales team at SendGrid following its acquisition by Twilio and its IPO.

Discussed in this Episode:

The key differences between product-led growth (PLG) and product-led sales (PLS).
When and why companies should consider transitioning from PLG to PLS.
The challenges of combining distinct sales teams during an acquisition.
How to effectively enable sales reps during a product expansion.
The importance of understanding your ideal customer profile (ICP) for successful PLS.
Strategies for moving upmarket, such as implementing paid pilots.
Creating career paths and incentives for sales reps in different segments.

Highlights:
(9:50) Andrew's definition of product-led growth and how it differs from product-led sales.
(12:16) The triggers for considering a transition from a PLG to a PLS approach.
(25:00) The challenges faced when combining SendGrid and Twilio's sales teams post-acquisition.
(32:49) How Twilio's unique "estimated ARR" commission structure impacted sales behavior.
(35:55) Using SendGrid as a "trojan horse" to expand Twilio's presence in customer accounts.
(42:00) One thing revenue leaders believe to be true that Andrew thinks is bull$***
(47:09) One thing that is working for Andrew in go-to-market right now.

Guest Speaker Links (Andrew Johnston):
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewfoxjohnston/

Host Speaker Links (Scott Barker):
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/ssbarker/
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GTM 106: Mastering the Transition from PLG to PLS with Andrew Johnston

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GTM 106: Mastering the Transition from PLG to PLS with Andrew Johnston