ReThinking: Talking people out of hate with Daryl Davis and former neo-Nazi Jeff Schoep

Adam Grant hosts Daryl Davis, a Black musician known for persuading white supremacists to renounce their affiliations, and Jeff Schoep, a former neo-Nazi leader who left the movement after meeting Daryl. They discuss Daryl's methods of engaging with hate groups, rooted in curiosity and diplomacy learned from his childhood as a diplomat's son, and Jeff's transformation after Daryl's question, "How can you hate me when you don't even know me?" sparked a cognitive dissonance. They explore strategies for changing minds, emphasizing the importance of listening, respecting the right to speak, and offering alternative perspectives rather than direct confrontation. Both Daryl and Jeff underscore that real change comes from within, advocating for open communication and finding common ground to bridge divides.