Ezra Klein interviews Jon Favreau about the strategic divides within the Democratic Party in the face of the government shutdown and the upcoming midterms. They discuss the internal debates on confronting Trump's actions, whether to focus on issues like lawlessness and authoritarianism or pocketbook issues like healthcare, and the potential political ramifications of each approach. Favreau expresses concern that focusing solely on healthcare may overshadow the importance of pushing back against Trump's authoritarian tendencies, while Klein notes the challenge of convincing voters that Democrats care about cost of living issues. They also delve into the Democratic Party's brand, the impact of redistricting, and the need for a compelling narrative to counter Trump's influence and win back voters.
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