This podcast features an interview with Ivan Zhao, where the discussion centers on the design and development of Notion software. Zhao discusses his keen eye for detail and ability to identify even subtle bugs, attributing this to his deep familiarity with the product. The conversation explores the balance between prioritizing aesthetic design and functionality in software development, using Notion and Figma as examples. Zhao explains his pragmatic approach, aiming for a high level of quality without sacrificing business needs, and reflects on the inevitable challenges of maintaining simplicity and high craft in software as it evolves over time. The interview touches upon the concept of "deep simplicity" as a counterpoint to the complexity of managing a company and the potential for software to become overly cluttered with features over time.
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