This episode explores the potential for a recession in 2025, despite the recent easing of trade tensions between the US and China. Against the backdrop of fluctuating market conditions and the impact of tariffs, Neil Dutta, of Renaissance Macro, maintains his recession prediction, arguing that underlying economic problems persist. More significantly, Dutta emphasizes that the focus should be on translating economic views into market calls, rather than solely on technical recession definitions. For instance, he points to slowing labor incomes, a weak housing market, and continued trade tensions as key indicators. The discussion pivots to the role of consumer spending, particularly among higher-income individuals whose stock portfolios influence their spending habits. Finally, Dutta highlights the "stocks matter" hypothesis, suggesting that market downturns can actively influence business decisions and overall economic sentiment, impacting investment and growth expectations. This means that even temporary resolutions to trade disputes may not fully alleviate the underlying economic risks contributing to a potential recession.