This episode explores the enduring relevance of the 2008 financial crisis and the challenges of preventing future crises. Against the backdrop of a growing population with no personal experience of 2008, the discussion centers on the importance of institutional memory and the need for readily available crisis intervention tools. More significantly, the conversation delves into the debate surrounding the optimal approach to crisis intervention, weighing the relative merits of bailing out banks versus providing direct support to consumers. For instance, the guest, former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, highlights the necessity of a comprehensive approach that combines financial system stabilization with robust Keynesian fiscal measures. He emphasizes the critical role of speed and credible commitment in breaking panics, drawing on his experience during the 2008 crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic. The discussion also touches upon the ongoing debate about the causes of the 2008 crisis and the effectiveness of subsequent reforms, such as Dodd-Frank, in mitigating future risks. Finally, the conversation concludes by examining the evolving role of the U.S. in global financial stability and the need for continuous modernization of government systems to address emerging challenges.