This interview podcast features Adam Grant interviewing Sharon McMahon, author and government teacher, about her work in civic education and her views on improving American democracy. The conversation begins with McMahon's background and her rise to prominence on social media, followed by a discussion of her electoral reforms, including the need for a national primary day and public campaign funding. McMahon advocates for approval voting as a simpler alternative to ranked-choice voting, arguing it could increase voter satisfaction and create more viable third-party candidates. The interview concludes with advice for combating feelings of doom and gloom, emphasizing the importance of focusing on one's "important work" and finding joy in it. A specific example given is McMahon's work raising over $10 million for various charities.