This interview podcast explores habit formation and change through the lens of neuroscience and psychology. The discussion begins by introducing three mental systems—human, chimp, and computer—and then delves into how self-image influences habits. The speakers then discuss a "triangle of change" with three key elements: a significant reward or pain, psychological mindedness (taking responsibility for one's actions), and commitment (removing emotion and focusing on action). A key takeaway is the concept of "willpower depletion," suggesting that willpower is a limited resource, and sustainable habit change requires focusing on small, achievable goals and incorporating rewards to avoid burnout. The podcast concludes by emphasizing the importance of understanding internal triggers for distraction and employing strategies like the "10-minute rule" to manage them.