This interview podcast features Lex Fridman conversing with historian Jennifer Burns about her biographies of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. The discussion centers on comparing and contrasting the thinkers' core beliefs, focusing on individualism, skepticism of collectivism, and their justifications for capitalism. Burns highlights Friedman's empirical approach and Rand's axiomatic, almost mythic, style of argumentation, noting their differing degrees of intellectual humility. Specific examples include Friedman's work on monetarism and its impact on the Federal Reserve, and Rand's influence on individuals through her fiction. Listeners gain insights into the evolution of economic thought and the lasting impact of these influential figures on American political and economic landscapes.