In this podcast, a nutrition scientist and a physician engage in a lively debate about diet. The scientist champions a high-fiber, low-refined carbohydrate approach, while the physician supports a meat-heavy, carnivore diet. Their disagreement centers on what constitutes reliable evidence; the scientist favors extensive studies and clinical trials, while the physician values personal stories and individual experiences. Although they both recognize that current dietary guidelines are inadequate, they differ on the reasons behind this failure and potential solutions. This conversation sheds light on the complexities and ongoing discussions in nutritional science, illustrating the difficulty of turning scientific research into straightforward dietary advice for everyone.