In this episode of the Econ 102 podcast, Erik Torenberg and Noah Smith delve into the intricate topic of ethno-nationalism and its effects on countries like Israel and Japan. They explore the differences between civic nations and ethno-states, examining historical land ownership and the challenges posed by immigration and cultural uniformity. The discussion also addresses the complexities of land declarations, Israel's unique position as a theocracy rather than a pure ethno-state, and the potential conflicts that may arise from demographic changes and varying perspectives on national identity. Ultimately, their conversation reveals the delicate balance between national self-determination and the risks of ethno-nationalist ideologies, which can lead to violence and exclusion.