This podcast episode discusses the challenges faced by large organizations in fostering innovation. It emphasizes the need for these companies to embrace change, take risks, and partner with startups to drive innovation. The concept of "innovation theater" is explored, highlighting the importance of tangible results and fundamental transformation. The shrinking lifespans of corporations are attributed to increased global competition and a focus on short-term gains. The episode emphasizes continuous experimentation and customer-centric innovation as essential for corporate relevancy. Longevity in corporations is attributed to long-term thinking, adaptability, and a contrarian perspective. The drawbacks of pursuing monopoly status and over-maximizing profits are discussed, advocating for a more balanced approach. The limitations of Return on Invested Capital (ROIC) as a metric and the importance of calculated inefficiency for learning and adaptation are also examined. The concept of the "illusion of innovation" is introduced, cautioning against superficial activities that lack meaningful output.