

"The Cognitive Revolution"
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
Episodes


The Machines Are Taking Our Jobs - Thank God? Emad Mostaque’s Guide to the next 1000 Days

Stripe's Payments Foundation Model: How Data & Infra Create Compounding Advantage, w/ Emily Sands

Full-Stack AI Safety: Why Defense-in-Depth Might Work, with Far.AI CEO Adam Gleave

Can We Stop AI Deception? Apollo Research Tests OpenAI's Deliberative Alignment, w/ Marius Hobbhahn

User-Owned AI: On-Chain Training, Inference, and Agents, with NEAR's Illia Polosukhin

Coaching the Creators: Inside the Minds Building Frontier AI with Executive Coach Joe Hudson

Zvi Mowshowitz on Longer Timelines, RL-induced Doom, and Why China is Refusing H20s
Zvi Mowshowitz returns to The Cognitive Revolution to discuss the state of AI as of late 2025. He notes that timelines to AGI have modestly lengthened due to the lack of paradigm-shifting developments, despite on-trend progress in areas like IMO gold medals and GPT-5. Zvi expresses increased concern about AI safety due...

In-AI Advertising: Better Answers for Users, Big Questions for Society, with ZeroClick's Ryan Hudson

Material Abundance: Radical AI’s Closed-Loop Lab Automates Scientific Discovery
In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, Nathan interviews Joseph Krause and Jorge Colindres, co-founders of Radical AI, about their work in automating materials science using AI and robotics. They discuss the challenges in traditional materials science, including high costs, long development times, and fragmentati...

Untangling Neural Network Mechanisms: Goodfire's Lee Sharkey on Parameter-based Interpretability
In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, the host interviews Lee Sharkey, Principal Investigator at GoodFire, about their work on mechanistic interpretability, specifically focusing on parameter decomposition in neural networks. The discussion contrasts activation-based and parameter-based decomposition, highlighti...

Untangling Neural Network Mechanisms: Goodfire's Lee Sharkey on Parameter-based Interpretability

What if Humans Weaponize Superintelligence, w/ Tom Davidson, from Future of Life Institute Podcast
The Cognitive Revolution podcast presents a cross-post from the Future of Life Institute podcast, featuring Gus Docker interviewing Tom Davidson about the risk of AI-enabled coups. Tom argues that powerful individuals could use AI to seize power, rather than AI systems rising up independently. He outlines necessary AI ...

The AI Whistleblower Initiative: Supporting AGI Insiders When It Matters Most, w/ founder Karl Koch

Autonomous Organizations: Vending Bench & Beyond, w/ Lukas Petersson & Axel Backlund of Andon Labs

Dean W. Ball on America's AI Action Plan & 4 Months at the White House

Jake Sullivan on Navigating AI Uncertainty and Managing Competition with China

Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial Policy for Countries 3-193, with Anjney Midha, a16z

The Revolution in Services: General Catalyst's AI Rollup Strategy, with Marc Bhargava
In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, Marc Bhargava, Managing Director at General Catalyst, discusses the firm's creation strategy centered around AI-enabled roll-ups. These companies start as vertical software startups and then acquire traditional service businesses, transforming them through AI automation. Bha...

Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial Policy for Countries 3-193, with Anjney Midha, a16z
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