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Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz · Technology

"The Cognitive Revolution"

A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

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Three Kinds of Software Survive: Tasklet's Andrew Lee on Competing to be a Horizontal Platform

15 May 2026
1h 33m
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Tasklet CEO Andrew Lee details the rapid evolution of his company’s AI agent architecture, which has shifted from simple workflow automation to a general-purpose platform utilizing a file-system-based context management strategy. By moving away from infinitely long chat histories toward a bucketed, decreasing-fidelity ...

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Milliseconds to Match: Criteo's AdTech AI & the Future of Commerce w/ Diarmuid Gill & Liva Ralaivola

09 May 2026
1h 27m
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"Descript Isn't a Slop Machine": Laura Burkhauser on the AI Tools Creators Love and Hate

06 May 2026
1h 23m
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The RL Fine-Tuning Playbook: CoreWeave's Kyle Corbitt on GRPO, Rubrics, Environments, Reward Hacking

01 May 2026
1h 46m
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Reinforcement learning (RL) offers a superior path for optimizing LLM performance compared to supervised fine-tuning (SFT) by working within a model's existing weight distributions, thereby reducing catastrophic forgetting. While SFT often overrides established pathways, RL optimizes for specific outcomes by reinforcin...

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AI in the AM: 99% off search, GPT-5.5 is "clean", model welfare analysis, & efficient analog compute

26 Apr 2026
2h 38m
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The rapid acceleration of AI capabilities necessitates live sense-making, as evidenced by the recent release of GPT-5.5 and the ongoing evolution of frontier models. Low-cost search, exemplified by Ceramic.ai’s five-cent-per-thousand-query model, bridges the gap between static training data and real-time information, e...

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Does Learning Require Feeling? Cameron Berg on the latest AI Consciousness & Welfare Research

23 Apr 2026
3h 33m
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Vibe-Coding an Attention Firewall, w/ Steve Newman, creator of The Curve

19 Apr 2026
2h 9m
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Steve Newman, software engineer and creator of the technology behind Google Docs, details his transition to building a bespoke, AI-driven personal productivity stack. By leveraging LLMs and autonomous agents, he has developed an "attention firewall" that filters communications and an RSS reader that summarizes informat...

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Welcome to AI in the AM: RL for EE, Oversight w/out Nationalization, & the first AI-Run Retail Store

15 Apr 2026
2h 30m
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The rapid advancement of autonomous AI systems necessitates a shift from reliance on corporate virtue to the implementation of robust, independent governance structures. As frontier labs develop increasingly powerful technology, unilateral decision-making by AI leaders creates significant societal risk, exemplified by ...

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It's Crunch Time: Ajeya Cotra on RSI & AI-Powered AI Safety Work, from the 80,000 Hours Podcast

11 Apr 2026
3h 10m
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Calm AI for Crazy Days: Inside Granola's Design Philosophy, with co-founder Sam Stephenson

08 Apr 2026
1h 34m
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Granola co-founder Sam Stephenson discusses the design thinking behind the AI note-taking app's rapid growth and minimalist product experience. Granola prioritizes a "calm product experience" for users with busy schedules, drawing inspiration from OXO's accessible design philosophy. Stephenson emphasizes the importance...

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Training the AIs' Eyes: How Roboflow is Making the Real World Programmable, with CEO Joseph Nelson

04 Apr 2026
1h 55m
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The conversation explores the current state and future trajectory of computer vision, contrasting it with the advancements in language models. Joseph Nelson, CEO of Roboflow, highlights the practical applications of computer vision in manufacturing, sports analytics, and robotics. He notes that while frontier models ca...

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Success without Dignity? Nathan finds Hope Amidst Chaos, from The Intelligence Horizon Podcast

01 Apr 2026
1h 44m
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Scaling Intelligence Out: Cisco's Vision for the Internet of Cognition, with Vijoy Pandey

25 Mar 2026
1h 35m
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The "Internet of Cognition" represents a paradigm shift from vertical scaling of individual frontier models to the horizontal scaling of distributed, multi-agent systems. Vijoy Pandey, SVP and GM of Outshift by Cisco, argues that future AI progress depends on enabling specialized agents to share intent, context, and re...

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Your Agent's Self-Improving Swiss Army Knife: Composio CTO Karan Vaidya on Building Smart Tools

22 Mar 2026
1h 38m
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The podcast explores Composio, an agentic tool execution layer that provides AI agents with access to over 50,000 tools across various apps. Karan Vaidya, CTO of Composio, discusses how the platform addresses challenges in building AI agents, such as context overload and authentication complexities. Composio offers fea...

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Zvi's Mic Works! Recursive Self-Improvement, Live Player Analysis, Anthropic vs DoW + More!

19 Mar 2026
3h 26m
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The conversation centers on the rapid advancements in AI, its economic impact, and the evolving strategies of key players. Zvi Mowshowitz assesses the current state as the "beginning of the middle game," cautioning against the belief in a near-term S-curve plateau. He estimates AI's current contribution to GDP growth a...

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AI Scouting Report: the Good, Bad, & Weird @ the Law & AI Certificate Program, by LexLab, UC Law SF

16 Mar 2026
1h 16m
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Nathan presents an AI Scouting Report, dividing the AI landscape into the good, bad, and weird, and addresses AI's use in law. He touches on AI's advancements in math, physics, and general-purpose AI agents, as well as concerning developments like AI-written hit pieces and retracted safety commitments. Nathan defines i...

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Bioinfohazards: Jassi Pannu on Controlling Dangerous Data from which AI Models Learn

11 Mar 2026
1h 43m
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Try this at Home: Jesse Genet on OpenClaw Agents for Homeschool & How to Live Your Best AI Life

08 Mar 2026
2h 6m
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Integrating AI agents into daily life transforms homeschooling from a labor-intensive chore into a methodical, personalized educational journey. Former CEO Jesse Genet manages five specialized AI agents—Claire, Sylvie, Cole, Theo, and Finn—to handle tasks ranging from curriculum planning and finance to content creation...

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Don't Fight Backprop: Goodfire's Vision for Intentional Design, w/ Dan Balsam & Tom McGrath

05 Mar 2026
1h 47m
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Situational Awareness in Government, with UK AISI Chief Scientist Geoffrey Irving

01 Mar 2026
2h 18m
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