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The problem with gamifying life

America is football

The central question explored is why football is so popular in America and what its cultural dominance says about the country. Chuck Klosterman, author of "Football," argues that football's appeal lies in its unique combination of chaotic freedom within a highly controlled environment, simulating both war and the moder...

How we built a government that can’t build anything

It’s okay to not be okay

Sean Illing interviews Mariana Alessandri, a philosophy professor and author, about her book "Night Vision: Seeing Ourselves Through Dark Moods." The conversation explores the cultural obsession with happiness and the pressure to avoid unhappiness, arguing that darker emotions like anger, anxiety, depression, and grief...

Forgiveness is optional

Forgiveness is often idolized in American culture as a magical solution for reconciliation, yet this perspective frequently overlooks the messy, non-linear process of moral repair. Philosopher Myisha Cherry, author of The Failures of Forgiveness, argues that forgiveness should be viewed as a bumpy process rather than a...

The pornification of everything

The podcast explores the subculture of "gooning," a practice involving prolonged edging and communal porn consumption, as a window into broader societal trends of addiction to stimulation and the internet's influence on culture. Daniel Kolitz, who reported on the Gooniverse for Harper's Magazine, describes gooning as a...

What counts as progress?

In this episode of "The Gray Area," Sean Illing interviews economic historian Brad DeLong about progress in the 21st century. They discuss the meaning of progress, moving beyond material wealth to consider spiritual health and individual fulfillment. DeLong argues that while global poverty has decreased significantly, ...

How to survive awkward encounters

Truth in an age of doublethink

The case against free will

In this episode of The Gray Area, Sean Illing interviews Robert Sapolsky, a professor of biology and neurology at Stanford, about his book "Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will." Sapolsky argues that free will is an illusion, and our understanding of the brain supports this. They discuss determinism, compati...

What the climate story gets wrong

In this episode of "The Gray Area," host Sean Illing interviews Hannah Ritchie, an Oxford data scientist and author of "Clearing the Air," about her optimistic perspective on climate change. Ritchie, a self-described "data optimist," argues that the world is decarbonizing faster than most people think and that the prim...

The Great Enshittening

America chose violence. Now what?

What's worth remembering?

Why TikTok matters

The sun will save us

How much free speech is too much?

Imagine there's no billionaires

America's lawyers vs. China's engineers