We’re revisiting our conversation with Jocelyn Benson, whose commitment to public service has made her one of the most recognizable election officials in America.

Since this episode first aired, Jocelyn has continued serving as Michigan’s Secretary of State and is now the Democratic candidate for governor. It’s the perfect time to revisit our discussion about leadership, democracy, resilience, and navigating difficult decisions under intense public scrutiny.

Throughout our conversation, Jocelyn shares lessons from her career protecting elections, standing firm in the face of challenges, and leading with integrity when the stakes couldn’t be higher. Whether you’re interested in leadership, public service, or simply how people remain true to their principles under pressure, this episode offers thoughtful insights that remain as relevant today as when we first recorded it.

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Democracy Doesn’t Defend Itself with Jocelyn Benson