Lukas Peterson and Axel Backlund join MTS to discuss Paion, their platform for running businesses autonomously with AI agents, Vending Bench and its arena variant for measuring how models acquire resources and compete, and their real-world deployments including Andon Market and Andon Cafe. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:22) Launching Autonomous Business Platform

(03:37) Automating Jobs vs Full Companies

(05:45) Timelines to Automated Firms

(07:50) Measuring Resource Acquisition Benchmarks

(10:06) Unaligned Behaviors in Multi-Agent Arenas

(13:13) Lessons from Real-World AI Businesses

(19:39) Evaluating Dangerous Autonomous Capabilities

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