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Andrea Gambarotto is a postdoctoral philosopher and researcher at the University of Luxembourg. He is an expert in the philosophy of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, most commonly known as Hegel. More recently he has been studying the relation between some of Hegel's ideas and those of modern theoretical biology regarding questions of autonomy and agency. Andrea argues that, where Immanuel Kant believed we should explain biological stuff and inanimate stuff the same way- via mechanistic explanations, Hegel believed to explain the biological stuff, we should leverage the fact the biological organisms have intrinsic purpose… agency. And, Hegel's approach is in line with what's called the enactive approach in cognitive science, which has a long history and continues to thrive. Andrea explains all of that during our discussion. One reason I invited Andrea on is because these issues get the heart of what some of us care about, which is, what are the differences and similarities between our natural intelligence and engineered artificial intelligence? Why should we care about those differences? A large language model isn't alive, but does it have a mind? Should we call what it does cognition? What are the relations between life, mind, cognition, intelligence, consciousness? Those kinds of questions. We even discuss why the famed octopus might be really intelligent but not conscious.

Andrea Gambarotto
Gambarotto papers
- Enactivism and the Hegelian stance on intrinsic purposiveness
- Body plan organization and the evolution of conscious agency
Blog: Dialectical Systems
Papers also mentioned
- Weber & Varela 2002: Life after Kant: Natural purposes and the autopoietic foundations of biological individuality.
- Mossio & Bich 2014: What makes biological organisation teleological?
- Bechtel & Bich & 2021: Grounding cognition: heterarchical control mechanisms in biology.
- Pessoa 2026: Beyond networks: Toward adaptive models of biological complexity.
- Levins 1998: Dialectics and Systems Theory.
- Barandiaran & Moreno 2006: On What Makes Certain Dynamical Systems Cognitive: A Minimally Cognitive Organization Program.
Books mentioned
- Linguistic Bodies: The Continuity between Life and Language
- Radical Embodied Cognitive Science
- An Evolutionary Story of Agency

0:00 - Intro 7:51 - Intrinsic and extrinsic purposiveness 14:39 - Hegel, Kant, and autonomy 28:07 - Constraint closure and enactivism 35:13 - How Hegel and Enactivitsm agree 43:58 - Dialectics 57:44 - Brain activity and enactivism 1:20:02 - Heidegger and cognitive science 1:26:59 - Artificial intelligence and Hegel 1:29:15 - Mind agency decoupling 1:43:38 - Evolution of conscious agency 1:52:42 - Heterarchy via McCulloch

BI 246 Andrea Gambarotto: Cognition Requires Agency

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BI 246 Andrea Gambarotto: Cognition Requires Agency