Brian Chau joins MTS to discuss his investigation into Irregular's role in recent AI cybersecurity incidents, the involvement of effective altruism organizations in AI evaluation firms, and the need for traditional cybersecurity expertise in AI testing. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Potemkin AI Expertise

(00:38) Investigating Irregular Security Flaws

(03:17) Effective Altruism Narrative Push

(07:03) Establishing Lab Criminal Liability

(09:26) Real Model vs Eval Alignment

(10:48) Draw Lines on AI Cyber Evals

(13:04) EA Monoculture and Paid Media

(16:04) Independent Cybersecurity Eval Alternatives

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