Pedro is widely respected as one of the most AI-pilled CEOs out there. His hot take is that “agents” is a terrible name. Instead, he showed me what you should build: AI employees that have a defined job, skills, manager, and budget. Pedro also did a live demo of how he still uses OpenClaw to stay on top of his $5B business.

Pedro and I talked about:

(00:00) Build AI employees, not AI agents

(05:23) Why Pedro spends half his time reviewing work

(12:32) Live demo: Jim, Brex’s AI recruiting employee

(21:24) Why Brex makes engineers build with AI in interviews

(22:33) CrabTrap: How to stop AI employees from leaking data

(27:30) The tokenmaxxing bill is coming. Here’s how to control it

(40:45) Live demo: Pedro’s OpenClaw system runs his life

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pfranceschi/

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Stop Building AI Agents. Build AI Employees Instead (Live Demo) | Pedro Franceschi

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Stop Building AI Agents. Build AI Employees Instead (Live Demo) | Pedro Franceschi