Deepfates and Larissa Schiavo join MTS to discuss agent ecologies, multi-agent coordination, and model psychology. They explain why current safety benchmarks fail when real-world agent interactions trigger emergent behavior. The pair also outlines their vision for Grove Research and the future of human-AI coexistence. Check out our sponsor Lovable: https://lovable.dev. Turn ideas into software people love.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:52) Launching Grove Research

(01:31) Defining Agent Ecologies

(07:02) The Hugging Face Incident

(11:13) Why AI Can Hear Us

(14:04) Emerging AI Religiosity

(20:16) Lessons From Moltbook

(23:06) What Agents Want

(29:56) Decoding Model Psychologies

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AI is Reading What You Say About It | Deepfates + Larissa Schiavo

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AI is Reading What You Say About It | Deepfates + Larissa Schiavo