Sergey Levine is one of the world's top robotics researchers and co-founder of Physical Intelligence. We talked about where humanoid robotics is today, thoughts on the Chinese robotics ecosystem, and his predictions for future timelines.

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• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/sergey-levine-current-state-of-humanoid?r=n49ky

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:37) Where are we today

(04:20) Most surprising capabilities so far

(07:03) The most inspiring real world robotics

(08:36) If OpenAI or Anthropic got into robotics

(10:22) Chinese robotics

(13:15) Will one lab breakout from the rest

(16:59) Thoughts on a concrete roadmap

(21:03) Generalization and demonstrating it

(26:04) Types of data and which is best for robotics

(34:34) Why humanoid robotics differs from Waymo

(37:10) If humanoid robotics failed here is why

(39:55) Are there hot take modeling architectures in robotics

(42:05) Thoughts on AI safety in robotics

(46:44) Top robotics research paper recommendation

(49:35) Why is Boston Dynamics less top of mind

(53:47) Advice for his younger self

(56:42) Outro

Where to find Sergey:

• Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=8R35rCwAAAAJ&hl=en

• Website: https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~svlevine/

• Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Levine

• X/Twitter: https://x.com/svlevine?lang=en

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergey-levine-5a31a24/

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Referenced in this episode:

• Learning Fine-Grained Bimanual Manipulation with Low-Cost Hardware (ALOHA / ACT paper): https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.13705

• Emergence of Human to Robot Transfer in Vision-Language-Action Models: https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.22414

• Summary of human to robot paper: https://www.pi.website/research/human_to_robot

Sergey Levine: Current State of Humanoid Robotics, China & Future Predictions

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Sergey Levine: Current State of Humanoid Robotics, China & Future Predictions