Nic Radford is the Co-Founder & CEO of Persona AI (Houston, TX) and former Founder/CEO of Nauticus Robotics (NASDAQ: KITT) & Lead of NASA’s Robonaut 2 and Valkyrie humanoid programs.

With nearly 30 years of experience building humanoid robotics (from human-rated space manipulation at NASA Johnson Space Center to subsea autonomous robots) Nic brings a veteran, unfiltered perspective to the commercial humanoid market.

Together with Co-Founders Dr. Jerry Pratt (CTO, ex-IHMC & Figure AI) and Jide Akinyode (COO, ex-NASA & Nauticus), Persona AI is building modular industrial humanoids for heavy, labor-constrained industries. Rather than chasing general-purpose home helpers or $15/hr warehouse sorting, Persona targets skilled industrial trades—starting with autonomous welding humanoids for shipbuilding in partnership with HD Hyundai and POSCO.

Persona AI: https://persona.ai/

Nic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolaus-radford/

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Timestamps:

0:00 Why the commercial humanoid robotics market has it completely wrong

3:17 Growing up in rural Indiana & fixing mechanics out of necessity

5:31 Decathlon, severe arthritis & learning "tenacity squared" as a founder

8:16 CB radios, 286/386 PCs, and entering the early Internet at Purdue

12:35 The 2000 Wired cover that sparked a 30-year humanoid obsession

15:23 Getting lost at NASA JSC and stumbling upon Robonaut 1

23:18 Camping in the Texas desert: Building amateur rockets during the early SpaceX era

25:25 Why networking is the lifeblood of deep tech partnerships

28:00 Storytelling for VCs: Why presentation skills are learned, not innate

30:50 From 15 years at NASA (Robonaut 2 & Valkyrie) to becoming an entrepreneur

35:47 Taking space tech underwater: Building Aquanaut & taking Nauticus public on NASDAQ

36:41 Partnering with Jerry Pratt to start Persona AI

37:36 Why general-purpose "Me-Too" robots face an ROI dead end

38:37 Targeting skilled trades: Why shipbuilding and heavy industry need humanoid welders

41:46 GM assembly lines & the brutal reality of automotive cycle times

44:42 The home humanoid myth: "Can we all just stop this? There is zero ROI."

48:34 First-time founders vs. Veteran founders: Tech obsession vs. Cash flow & GTM

49:50 Raising a $42M pre-seed & closing a $100M+ seed round

51:20 Delivering humanoid welders to HD Hyundai in 24 months

52:35 "Look what we built in 90 days": Calling out fake startup timelines

Ep 106 | "There Is Zero ROI in Home Humanoids" (w/ Nic Radford)

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Ep 106 | "There Is Zero ROI in Home Humanoids" (w/ Nic Radford)