Sam Harris speaks with Francis Fukuyama about liberal democracy, American politics, and global order. They discuss the misunderstood thesis of "The End of History," how conservatism has mutated into ethno-nationalism, the self-defeating extremes of both identity politics and neoliberalism, the damage of Trump's second term, the war in Iran, the future of Israel, antisemitism on the left and right, and other topics.

Francis Fukuyama is the Olivier Nomellini Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies and Director of Stanford's Ford Dorsey Master's in International Policy. One of the most influential political thinkers of his generation, he is best known for his 1992 book The End of History and the Last Man. His forthcoming memoir is In the Realm of the Last Man. Dr. Fukuyama has held distinguished appointments at Johns Hopkins, George Mason University, the RAND Corporation, and the U.S. Department of State's Policy Planning Staff. His articles can be read at Persuasion, and his podcast is Frankly Fukuyama.

Website: francisfukuyama.com

X: @FukuyamaFrancis

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#471 - The End of History, Revisited

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#471 - The End of History, Revisited