08 Jun 2026
37m

786: The Problem with Reorgs and How to Do Better, with Phil Le-Brun

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Coaching for Leaders

Reorganizations frequently fail because they treat companies as mechanical factories rather than complex, organic systems. Redesigning an org chart often destroys the vital social fabric and horizontal connections where actual work occurs. Instead of top-down, disruptive changes, organizations should adopt an "Octopus" model, which balances structural stability with internal flexibility. Phil Le-Brun, executive in residence at Amazon Web Services, advocates for empowering small, autonomous "two-pizza" teams to solve specific business outcomes. Leaders must shift from being directive bosses to curious coaches who foster psychological safety and provide clear context. By focusing on behavioral changes and continuous, small-scale experimentation rather than massive, soul-destroying transformations, leaders can better adapt to volatile environments and tap into the collective intelligence of their workforce.

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