(Description via Increments Podcast:) Did you ever see the video of two regular people trying to fight Eddie Hall, the strongest man on earth? Ben and Vaden bring that same energy to this conversation, where they gang up on Robert Wright on the subject of his forthcoming book The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning. Bob is a sport about it (well, there was no choice really: we have an advanced copy of his book that we’re holding hostage) and there are only one or two black eyes by the end.

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We discuss

* Whether Bob was the OG podcaster

* Is there a directionality to evolution?

* Where Bob is on the AI fear and awe spectrum

* Whether LLMs have decoded the meaning in language

* Is AI best viewed as a tool or as superintelligence?

* AI-as-slingshot analogy

References

* The God Test by Robert Wright

* Nonzero by Robert Wright

* William Paley and his pocket watch

* The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins

* Our conversation with Scott Aaronson

Recorded April 28th, 2026.

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AI, Evolution, and The God Test (Increments Podcast w/ Ben Chugg, Vaden Masrani, and Robert Wright)

Robert Wright's Nonzero

AI, Evolution, and The God Test (Increments Podcast w/ Ben Chugg, Vaden Masrani, and Robert Wright)