Is the U.S. winning the war with Iran? Even though President Trump claims success, it doesn’t quite feel like it — oil and gas prices are high, the Strait of Hormuz is effectively closed, and the Iranian regime is still in place. Mark Dubowitz, the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a prominent Iran hawk, explains why “total victory” is within reach in spite of the cost. I pressed him on the gap between Trump’s desire for a quick deal and his desire to end the Islamic Republic.

00:00 - Intro
00:03:49 - Is Iran biding its time until Trump leaves office?
00:07:07 - Three phases to regime change
00:09:42 - Iran's military capabilities and the Strait of Hormuz
00:14:54 - How will the next American president treat Iran?
00:18:48 - The battle for the Strait of Hormuz
00:23:27 - Will Iran attack its neighbors?
00:28:43 - Will Trump cut a deal?
00:38:19 - Does Israel think Trump is its best chance?
00:43:04 - Risk of U.S. alienation from Israel
00:48:01 - The cost of inaction and the Iranian people

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