Ben Shepherd joins Jacob to talk about the Democratic Republic of Congo. Ben urges listeners to think and look beyond the endless stories about violence in the DRC and instead to note, however, halting and fragile, the progress the country has made in the last 20 years and its potential in the future.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) - Intro

(02:36) – History and geography of the DRC

(15:15) - Why is it shaped that way?

(21:48) – Breakdown of Congolese misgovernance

(28:26) - Violence in the eastern DRC

(42:26) – Recent elections and the future

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Referenced in the Show:

Ben’s recent article on DRC elections: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/drcs-election-was-halting-step-towards-embedding-democracy

Map of Congo: https://alearningfamily.com/main/wp-content/uploads/DemRepCongoPhysical.jpg

King Leopold’s Ghost: https://www.amazon.com/King-Leopolds-Ghost-Heroism-Colonial/dp/0618001905

Bourdain episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k59ToTXOuuE

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