Should loyalty be paid?

The podcast explores the story of Tu Yangyue, who refuses rewards and a high position after a king regains his kingdom, questioning whether one should accept rewards for things they didn't do and whether people should stay in their societal positions. Dou Hongyu and Yunqi discuss Tu Yangyue's motivations from the perspectives of both Tu Yangyue and the king, debating whether his loyalty warranted the rewards. Yunqi argues against taking positions one doesn't desire, emphasizing the importance of passion in overcoming the tedious aspects of career development, while Dou Hongyu suggests new opportunities can lead to self-actualization, referencing Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The discussion further examines modern desires and the balance between work and leisure, questioning whether modern needs are inflated.