10 Feb 2026
1h 21m

C. Thi Nguyen on Why Measuring Everything Ruins Everything

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The Good Fight

The podcast explores the role and impact of metrics in modern life, questioning whether they truly measure progress or distort genuine goals. C. Thi Nguyen, a philosopher and author of "The Score," discusses the tension between the need for metrics and their tendency to oversimplify complex realities. He argues against the fantasies that metrics either capture everything important or are wholly evil, stating that their function and cost are connected. The conversation highlights how metrics, designed for portability and ease of understanding, often lack nuance and context, potentially misdirecting efforts and diminishing joy in activities like philosophy and rock climbing. The discussion also covers how metrics systematically eliminate high expertise and skill judgements, and are systematically bad at capturing highly variable qualities.

Outlines

Part 1: The Nature and Paradox of Metrics

Part 2: Formal Rules vs. Informal Norms

Part 3: Failure Modes and Game Design

Part 4: Cultivating Agency and Purpose

Part 5: Economic Perspectives and Practical Insights

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