Nearly four years after Roe v. Wade was overturned, where is the pro-life movement setting its sights? That’s what I wanted to know from the activist Lila Rose. We spoke last month in front of a live audience at the Catholic University of America. We debated whether her cause was prepared for the fall of Roe and whether abortion still matters at all to the right.

01:55 - Live Action and undercover activism
05:53 - Pro-Life 101 and S.L.E.D.
13:36 - “The mistake of feminism”
17:02 - Pro-family policy
22:47 - The political landscape after Roe
42:35 - The pro-life movement beyond politics
47:39 - The medical “zone of uncertainty”
53:53 - Why should women be pro-life?

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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Why Ending Roe Wasn’t Enough for the Pro-Life Movement