What does it cost to care deeply—and what happens when the work that defines you nearly breaks you?

In this episode of Remarkable People, Guy Kawasaki sits down with Jane Chen, the co-founder of Embrace and author of the raw, unforgettable memoir Like a Wave We Break. Jane shares her journey from a childhood shaped by fear and expectation to building a life-saving global health organization—and then confronting the burnout, identity loss, and reckoning that followed.

This conversation goes far beyond entrepreneurship. Jane opens up about immigration, trauma, ambition, healing, surfing, failure, and what sustainable leadership really requires. It’s a candid exploration of success, self-worth, and why impact without self-compassion comes at a high price.

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Why Purpose Without Self-Compassion Leads to Burnout with Jane Chen

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Why Purpose Without Self-Compassion Leads to Burnout with Jane Chen