Cybersecurity didn’t start as a billion-dollar crime machine. It started as pranks, ego, and curiosity. That origin story explains almost everything that’s breaking today.

Ron sits down with Graham Cluley, one of the earliest antivirus developers turned trusted cyber voice, to trace how malware evolved from digital graffiti into organized financial warfare. From floppy disks and casino-style viruses to ransomware, extortion, and agentic AI, the conversation shows how early decisions still shape today’s most dangerous assumptions. Graham also explains why AI feels inevitable, but still deeply unfinished inside modern organizations.

Impactful Moments 00:00 - Introduction 04:16 - Malware before money existed 07:30 - Cheesy biscuits changed cybersecurity 13:10 - When documents became dangerous 14:33 - Crime replaced curiosity 15:23 - Sony proved no one was safe 20:15 - Reporting hacks without causing harm 24:01 - AI replacing penetration testers 29:18 - Agentic AI shifts the threat model 36:30 - Why rushing AI breaks trust

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When Cybercrime Learned How to Make Money and Never Looked Back with Graham Cluley

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When Cybercrime Learned How to Make Money and Never Looked Back with Graham Cluley