From Mao to Xi Jinping: A Conversation with Orville Schell

In this bonus episode of "Face Off," Jane Perlez interviews journalist and scholar Orville Schell about his 50 years of covering Chinese leaders and their American counterparts. Recorded at the Asia Society, their conversation spans from Mao Zedong to Xi Jinping, discussing key moments in US-China relations, including Deng Xiaoping's visit to the US, the Tiananmen Square protests, and the evolving dynamics between leaders like Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Schell shares personal anecdotes and insights into the changing attitudes and chemistry between American and Chinese leaders, highlighting the shift from engagement to a more hostile relationship and reflecting on the potential future of US-China relations.