02 Dec 2025
54m

The Xi Factor

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Face-Off

In this episode of "Face-Off," Jane Perlez interviews Jake Sullivan, former National Security Advisor, about his experiences negotiating with Xi Jinping and the broader dynamics of the U.S.-China relationship. Sullivan shares insights into Xi's personality, negotiating style, and strategic thinking, while also addressing China's long-term goals, military expansion, and technological advancements. The discussion covers topics such as AI, arms control, trade, and the potential implications of China becoming the world's leading superpower. Later in the episode, Rana Mitter joins Jane to discuss the resilience of both the U.S. and China, and to further analyze China's reluctance on arms control and the recent purges in China's military.

Outlines

Part 1: Introduction and Early Perceptions

Part 2: Technological Competition and AI

Part 3: Implications and Perspectives

Part 4: Conclusion

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