The transgender rights movement in America appeared to be gaining momentum. But after suffering a big loss before the Supreme Court in June and facing a shift in public opinion, where does the fight go now?

On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross is joined by Chase Strangio, a transgender rights activist and a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, to discuss strategy in the courtroom and in the court of public opinion — as well as broader philosophical questions about transgender identity.

02:15 - Bostock vs. Clayton County
08:30 - United States v. Skrmetti
22:57 - Defining sex, gender identity and transgender identity
32:52 - Chase talks about “coming home”
40:42 - Healthcare for transgender youth is changing
56:58 - Sports and transgender athletes
1:07:49 - Coexistence within the debate

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.

Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Shifting Politics of Transgender Rights

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

The Shifting Politics of Transgender Rights