04 Dec 2025
1h 22m

#1028 - Peter Zeihan - The New World Order Is Here

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Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson interviews Peter Zeihan about geopolitics, demographics, and energy. Zeihan argues that America's future success is due to other countries' problems, particularly China's demographic collapse and geographic disadvantages. They discuss China's declining population, unreliable data, and the unsustainability of its economic model. Zeihan is skeptical about AI's ability to solve demographic issues and sees it primarily benefiting white-collar workers. The conversation touches on declining birth rates in various countries, the unsustainability of current economic models, and the geopolitical implications of shrinking workforces. They explore the future of energy, the limitations of EVs, and the importance of copper. The discussion also covers global supply chains, the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and fragile alliances, with Mexico identified as a quietly growing power.

Outlines

Part 1: Geopolitical Landscape

Part 2: Demographic Decline & Economic Models

Part 3: Energy & Geopolitics

Part 4: Global Systems & Conflicts

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