Marty sits down with Tony Cai and Matt Black from Atomic Finance to discuss returns on Bitcoin, DLCs, and the future of Bitcoin's scaling.

Tony on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TonyCai_

Matt on Twitter: https://twitter.com/matthewjablack

Atomic Finance: https://atomic.finance/

5:30 - Atomic Finance origins
15:44 - What’s wrong with defi?
21:15 - Explaining DLCs
25:26 - How Atomic uses DLCs
28:39 - Risks
34:13 - Atomic’s oracle
37:39 - State of DLCs and lightning
44:51 - Plans for Atomic
47:46 - Ethereum’s centralization
50:26 - Order of operations in Bitcoin adoption
54:04 - Scaling Bitcoin and ossification
1:04:59 - Staking reputation on BIPs
1:14:28 - A lot at stake
1:21:00 - Wrapping