28 Nov 2025
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Episode 88, Antti Ilmanen, Ph.D., talks about how investors form long-run return expectations, host Rick Ferri

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Bogleheads On Investing Podcast

Investors often rely on "rearview mirror" thinking, extrapolating recent market performance into the future, which frequently leads to poor decision-making. Antti Ilmanen, global co-head of Portfolio Solutions at AQR, contrasts this subjective approach with objective, data-driven expectations based on interest rates, earnings growth, and valuations. While equity investors often fall into the trap of over-extrapolating past gains—particularly in U.S. markets—bond investors demonstrate a more contrarian, mean-reverting perspective. Long-run return forecasts should prioritize fundamental anchors like earnings yields rather than recent price trends. High valuations, such as those seen in the U.S. market, historically signal lower future returns, yet structural shifts and persistent bull markets can make these contrarian positions difficult to maintain. Ultimately, successful long-term investing requires balancing objective valuation metrics with the discipline to ignore short-term, sentiment-driven market noise.

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