28 Nov 2025
1h 2m

Dying Is Easy. Retail Is Hard. (Update)

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Freakonomics Radio

In this episode of Freakonomics Radio, Stephen Dubner explores the economics and future of Macy's with CEO Tony Spring, retail expert Mark Cohen, and Jeff Kinney, author and bookstore owner. Spring discusses his strategy to revitalize Macy's by closing underperforming stores, improving merchandise, and enhancing customer experience, while Cohen offers a more skeptical view, emphasizing the challenges Macy's faces in a changing retail landscape. Kinney shares his experience of creating a successful independent bookstore and revitalizing a small town, providing a contrasting example of a retailer thriving by focusing on community and unique experiences. The episode further delves into the value of Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade as a key asset and explores the broader trends affecting the retail industry, including e-commerce and the importance of creating engaging physical spaces.

Outlines

Part 1: Introduction and Macy's Market Position

Part 2: Tony Spring's Perspective

Part 3: Mark Cohen's Critique

Part 4: Turnaround Strategies and Challenges

Part 5: Jeff Kinney's Bookstore and Community Revitalization

Part 6: Connections and Closing Remarks

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