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John Fontenot has spent a decade in tech, working initially in software partnerships for Intel’s Software and Services Group where he was first introduced to the role of product management. In 2018 John made a pivot into a role as a UX Researcher to get his foot in the door of a product team for a small HRTech SaaS company and hasn’t looked back. John has worked in a variety of Sr. IC product manager roles, Director and Group Product Manager roles, and is now serving as VP of Product Management for Terlumina, an Enterprise SaaS startup focused on healthcare compliance management.

John also runs a program called Path2Product where he helps aspiring PMs transition into their first product management role. John is a huge proponent and student of UX Research and truly believes that good product management can’t be done well without it.

In our conversation, we discuss:

* What “scrappy” product research really means and when it crosses the line into chaos.

* Why PMs can (and should) learn research basics when they don’t have a dedicated partner.

* How to build trust with researchers without stepping on their toes.

* Creative recruitment strategies when incentives aren’t an option—and what that reveals about product-market fit.

* The case against paying customers for interviews, and how to make people want to talk to you.

Some takeaways:

* Scrappy research isn’t an excuse to be sloppy. Scrappy doesn’t mean fast for the sake of speed, it means smart, efficient, and focused on risk. John outlines how some decisions call for deep, strategic research, especially when millions are on the line, while others don’t need to be tested to death. The key is knowing the stakes and picking the right level of investment. Scrappy research works best when it’s intentional, not reactionary.

* John shares creative ways to reach users without incentives, like turning idea boards into interview leads or mining Facebook groups and Slack communities for warm outreach. In regulated industries where payments aren’t allowed, trust and thoughtful messaging become even more important. The best outreach comes from doing your homework, if you know what people care about, they’ll usually talk. Payment can create a transactional mindset; genuine interest creates better conversations.

* With researchers often outnumbered 10 to 1, it’s unrealistic to gatekeep all research tasks. But that doesn’t mean PMs or designers should bulldoze their way in. John advocates for shared ownership with clear boundaries, where non-researchers offer support, not competition, by helping with smaller usability tasks or contributing to recruitment. Trust is built by asking first, showing competence, and being open to feedback.

* Recruitment speed isn’t always the goal. Paying for participants might help with speed, but it can muddy your insight quality. If no one wants to talk about the feature you’re testing, that might be a signal it’s not worth building. Slower recruitment through organic methods forces you to get sharper on messaging, segmentation, and whether the problem actually matters.

* John argues that researchers are most valuable when they go beyond testing buttons and start shaping product direction. Researchers who understand business priorities and speak the language of product are better able to influence decisions. Likewise, PMs who understand research can spot poor methods and ask sharper questions. Everyone benefits when the team invests in learning across roles and when researchers step confidently into strategic conversations.

Where to find John:

* Website

* LinkedIn

* Blog

* Why you should never pay for customer interviews

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Getting Scrappy with Product Research | John Fontenot (Terlumina, Path to Product)

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Getting Scrappy with Product Research | John Fontenot (Terlumina, Path to Product)